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  • FACT #1 - The average black or latino 12th grader reads at the same level as the average white 8th grader
  • FACT #2 - 58% of black 4th graders are functionally illiterate.
  • FACT #3 - The achievement gap between low-income students & their higher-income peers costs the U.S. about $500 billion/year.
  • FACT #4 - About 50% of students in low-income communities will not graduate from high school by the time they are 18.
  • FACT #5 - 1 in every 8 black males between the ages of 25 to 29 is incarcerated.
Post any thoughts you have on public education, education reform, the President's education policies, or what you would like to see change in education.
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Cathy
June 12, 2010 11:43 AM
Being a daughter of a former 30-year school board member in an urban area, I believe one of the biggest problems our public schools have is the teachers union. Do we ever hear outcry from the unions about what is happening to the children in so many non-performing schools -- NO! It's all about power -- keep them dumb, keep them poor, keep US (the union) in power!
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tchr
July 13, 2010 12:03 AM
Interesting perspective. Mine is quite different... Our union has made decisions to take furlough days and give up cost of living adjustments for the past seven years to retain teaching positions in our district for the benefit of students. Blanket statements never work. I haven 't researched it, but does anyone know if any of the profits from this movie are going to go back into education?
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john
June 11, 2010 4:16 PM
When is this coming to Minneapolis? (power to the parents!)
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Robert Sommers
June 9, 2010 2:32 AM
An effort should be made to clearly show the performance of each school and do it in a way that is available to parents and community members. We need to be better informed selectors of schools. There are great public, charter, and private schools. There are bad public, charter, and private schools. It isn't about how the school operates, its about how well they do serving students. Of course, parental choice is the key and parental knowledge is the power.
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greg
June 11, 2010 11:14 PM
Your state should already have a website that shows all the information from every school online..
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Bill Taylor
June 8, 2010 4:52 PM
My two daughters are enrolled in an outstanding charter school in North Carolina.
The lottery process is heartbreaking. It doesn't take away the unfairness, it just depersonalizes it. Even though we're in an affluent area with well-regarded public schools, each spot in the charter school is sought after by many, many kids and parents.
Charter schools have an incentive to do well because they will go out of business if parents take their kids out OR kids don't achieve. Good, confident teachers are attracted because they are usually given more autonomy and their excellence is highly valued, even though they have less job security.
I'm reluctant to disparage public school teachers; many of them do a tough job with dedication and excellence. But the public school system, like any monopoly, runs the risk of becoming arrogant and bloated. In my own experience, as well as in the movie, parents' clear preference is for alternatives like charter schools.
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Joe Burzell
June 7, 2010 9:36 PM
Education begins AT HOME. My mother taught me how to read, not some school. Most people I know had it the same. It's bad enough that our society pours money down the drain trying to correct the negative values and lack of skills that are instilled in these kids, but now you want us to pony up more money? For what?
Why dont you make a movie about the GIFTED children in our society, who are made to suffer through the mediocrity of our schools. Children who could make a difference by contributing something worthwhile to our society if they were only given a chance.
Face the facts that are published in the census: high teenage birth rates, high rate of unwed (single-mother) childbirth among African-American women. Then read the correlation between these facts and POVERTY. Why not address the root cause of the problem, which is a lack of responsibility by the individuals who have the children and perpetuate the cycle of poverty??
There's certainly a lack of learning in the home if the kids cant even read by the time they're in fourth grade. Where is the film addressing these basic facts that are published by the US Government?
Stop trying to make it OUR problem when it's THEIR problem. EDUCATION BEGINS AT HOME.
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Caroline
June 8, 2010 1:49 AM
Joe is proof positive that the public education system is failing our children. This type of ignorance is what is destroying our country. Thank you to Madilyn for making this movie. I can't wait to see it! As a public school teacher, I am in total agreement that our education system is in need of new forms.
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Joe Burzell
June 8, 2010 10:26 PM
Caroline, Are there any facts in my post that you care to dispute in a rational manner or are you satisfied enough with your unenlightened name-calling?
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Michael Schreiner
June 9, 2010 5:12 AM
First, the movie is about children made to suffer through the mediocrity of our schools. Their chance to contribute is Harlem Success.
Second, charter schools have the same funding and class sizes as zone public school, yet their children score much higher on achievement tests. So money is not biggest need for schools to succeed.
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Vanessa
June 17, 2010 8:45 PM
Joe: you're absolutely right that poverty is a significant factor with regards to the education crisis. But what you cite as the root problem of poverty is ridiculous. Your lack of respect for the low income community is not a reflection of your poor public education as your critic claimed. But rather your first teacher, as you said, education begins at HOME.
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ITeach
June 9, 2010 6:04 PM
Not quite sure what the heck Caroline read, but it most certainly wasn't Joe's comment. As a public school teacher (non-union), I agree with Joe. My son attended private school and received an excellent education. It was Christ-centered and put academics first. Bearing witness to the unbelievably broken system that is public education, I would never have allowed my son to attend a public school. The level of mediocrity is astounding. Money is not the solution. Union/non-union is not the solution. The Lottery ticket is not the solution.
Loving and caring parents are the foundation upon which a child will feel nurtured and secure. That's step one.
There are many steps to be taken if we are serious about repairing and rebuilding this system. Ignorance is not the answer. Blaming others is not the answer. Look at yourself first. Did you do everything you could for your child? Did you put your child's needs first? ... or did you use the TV as a babysitter? Do you have TV in your house? If so, you're already headed down the wrong road. Do you read to your child each and EVERY day? Do you discuss what you've read and ask probing questions about the characters and their choices? Do you provide answers with depth to your child's non-stop questions? ... or does a 'yes' or 'no' suffice? I could go on and on with this. I see the results of part-time parenting every day at school. Until you are ready to step up to the plate and be a real parent, the system will remain broken...sadly.
When I challenge the students and have them reach beyond the state mandated MINIMUM frameworks, I catch heck from parents who are only concerned with the number of A's earned. Don't believe for a second that parents are guilt-free. Don't believe for a second that teachers are guilt-free. We are ALL to blame. But, unless you take a step within your own home, you are part of the problem and will perpetuate it ad nauseam. I did everything I could for my child. I can sleep well at night knowing that. Can you?
June 10, 2010 2:30 PM
Joe, you are correct in that it starts at home. I mostly do not blame the teachers for the lack of a students success but blame the parents. Parents are passive, to busy being a 'friend' to their child and not setting boundaries, values/morals and consequences for wrong behavior.
In my county here in Florida we fought to get a full time gifted classroom for 4th & 5th grades. There were 2 classrooms with a combo of both grades, one in north county and one in south county. Out of the hundreds of gifted students that would qualify to attend, we struggled to get 13-14 kids in each class that could hold up to 22 students. I blame the parents. I heard all kinds of excuses; oh, little Sarah didn't want to change schools, I didn't want Johnny to have to do extra work, I let Mary decide if she wanted to go. HUH???? Passive, irresponsible parenting. My daughter attended the 2 years which was the first time she was ever challenged academically. It was hard at first but she (we) got the hang of it quickly. She is so much better prepared to start middle school now. Due to the budget cuts and the lack of enrollment the full time gifted classes have been canceled. What a shame. I do not blame the school board, I blame the parents who think its okay to let their children be average when they are capable of achieving so much more. Our society encourages mediocrity.
I regularly tell people we don't need more training for the students, we need parenting classes for the passive parents.
Although, I do agree some schools have major issues in providing a quality education and have failed the students. This documentary is highlighting a whole separated issue. Obviously there are some parents who care deeply about their child's education; they are being proactive in trying to get them in a school where their children can be a nurturing and quality learning environment.
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Doug
June 16, 2010 10:41 PM
From an article I read, I understand part of the mission of the academies is to work with parents who may not have the background to work with their kids at home. I heard about another study that it is possible to turn a school around by working with the most difficult students and their families as well. I've also been working on a movie about the kindergarten admissions process and it does explore the idea of gifted education in more depth than many of the other movies. You may want to look at the trailer via the link above
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John Berting
June 7, 2010 12:47 PM
I see here the makings of a fine film, but unfortunately there are many, many traps to fall into in the education-environment. Public schools with unionized teachers are quite capable of providing an excellent education, or they can be catastrophic wrecks. Likewise, charter schools can be excellent, or similar catastrophic wrecks. While it is sometimes useful to believe that greed, politics, and rampant self-interest can destroy any school system, it is always more interesting to fix the problem. And the problem isn't always "government", or school boards, or unions, or teachers, or power-plays. Although one real problem is that anyone who controls public funds draws the attention of everyone who has a desire to spend those funds, creating an opportunity for dishonesty.

It was Napolean who said: "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence." In some cases there is malice and conspiracy in education, but in many more cases the people involved do not know how to fix the problems they face. Randomly changing from one group of incompetent leadership to another is a poor way to address this problem. If the expectation is that a charter school will always be better than a public school, this represents the misguided belief that the people who run the charter school are somehow "better" than their public-school counterparts. They are often less jaded as a result of being less experienced, but rarely "better". Sometimes they're just better salesmen, but other times a new group of people really has an exciting new answer.

In cases where malice does exist, the problem will always be the people who are willing to distort those organizations and positions in order to achieve power, money, or control. All this is done at the expense of the children who SHOULD be the very first consideration of any school. The real crime here is when rampant self-interest has destroyed a school-system's ability to fulfil its primary purpose of education.

I've seen school systems that work, and I've seen school systems that don't, and they don't obey any simplistic model of "private" versus "charter" versus "public". Schools work when the people running those schools (including the parents, and even the students) decide they will, and work hard to make it happen. People who don't want to work at making schools functional are the real problem in dysfunctional schools. We all need to stop shouting at the wind and start doing things that make a difference. (And yes, the film sounds like a great start. Thanks for opening the discussion.)